洞庭周 发表于 2005-9-1 13:44:00

与外人推手要看你是什么初衷。或学习、或印证所学、或比试。若是学习态度,被人摔打又有何关系。这年月使阴着的太多。

哼哼哈哈 发表于 2005-9-1 14:31:00

<P>等人到了40岁之后,练习太极拳的心理也就是玩玩了。既然是玩玩,自然也就不愿意受伤,也就不敢受伤。毕竟武术是属于年轻人的。</P><br /><P>在这里侃得欢的,都已经是到了“玩玩”这个层次了。</P><br /><P>若仅对于和外人玩玩而言,看来,我在这里又发错言了!!!</P><br /><br /><P>另外,若仅就玩玩而言,那么多的人还去妄谈什么太极拳的技击意义?</P>

开心胸 发表于 2005-9-1 16:30:00

<P>这里单说比试功夫的情况:</P><br /><P>一、别人找你试功夫。首先要沉得住气,不要先出手,这一方面是出于礼貌,一方面也是一种战术,以静待动,以逸待劳,只要对方一出手,你就不要客气。正是:太极不出手,出手不容情。</P><br /><P>二、你找别人试功夫。真正的目的只有你自己知道,若你是学习的态度,这不用说;若你是存心要收拾他,这也不用说。所谓拳打爱家,若你输了,不要赖皮!</P>

崇德 发表于 2005-9-1 19:23:00

<P>练太极和玩太极都没关系,喜欢较技的和不喜欢张扬的都可以,其实这个题目的争论就是让大家小心一点,又何必怕说不说错呢?嘴和手一样,长在自己身上。就好比好端端的网站动不动跳出个广告,尽管我恶心,但我还是喜欢看---</P>

王建业 发表于 2005-9-1 20:14:00

<P 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">与人推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有功夫比自己高的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有与自己差不多的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>也有比自己差的<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>生人的推手功夫也在此理<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>推手比赛<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>选手很多<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>一般地说都不认识<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>但有规则<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有裁判员<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>生人的推手比赛是可进行的<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>然而<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>民间推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>很多时候无裁判<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>但是推手规则还是应该有的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>搭手前应事先讲好<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>头<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>颈<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>裆是禁止击打部位<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>不能用腿踢<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>不能脱手击打<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>不反关节擒拿<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>定步还是动步<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>对手健康状况等<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>要取掉手上的饰物<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>手机等<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>还要检查场地<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有无砖头<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>瓦块等硬物<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>现在城市建设漂亮了<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>绿地草坪是不准踩的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>要罚款子<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>脚下踩的是地砖<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>水泥地<FONT face="Times New Roman">..</FONT>要找泥土地面<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>上面再有点粑地草<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那种草是踩扁也死不了<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>这种泥土地面不好找了<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>记得我一个外地师弟<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那时练推手没几年<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>顶劲还大<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>一人与他推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>他借到劲<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>其人恻倒地<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>后脑触一硬物<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>枪救无效<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>亡<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>可怜我师弟丢了工作<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>还吃了几年官司<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>与生人推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>慎<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></P><br /><P 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">推手非太极门独有<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>行意<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>八卦<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>猴拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>蛾眉<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>武当等都在练<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>好的东西<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>各家都在收集<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>包容<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>那二年<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>成都武侯祠早晨六点开门<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>晚上十点关门<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>我家住街对面<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>里面的参天大树<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>雕楼廷院<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>是练拳的绝佳地方<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>天晴下雨都不怕<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>天晴在廷院练<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>下雨在孔明<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>刘备殿练<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>好爽<FONT face="Times New Roman">!</FONT>年票几十元<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>而今成了全国重点保护区<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>门票一次要几十元<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>早<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>晚不准进<FONT face="Times New Roman">..</FONT>一日晚才<FONT face="Times New Roman">21</FONT>点不到<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>保安锁了大门<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>游客出不了门<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>手机请电视台来摄影才出了门<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>好气<FONT face="Times New Roman">!</FONT>练拳图个心情好<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>我辈已不敢在此练了<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>成都体院与武侯祠两隔壁<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>武术国宝王树田<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>猴王肖应鹏<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>吴大材<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>行意拳家吴兴宇等名家都在那儿练<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>时日长了<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>八卦<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>行意<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>猴拳都推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>我志坚<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>练杨式太极不悔改<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>见我态度端正<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>虚心好学<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>也与我推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>上海的郑老师<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>吴式太极练家<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>来成都市出差三个月<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>选中武侯祠练拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>他打吴式拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>我打杨家拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>都想推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>爱家要推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>没法生人也要推手哦<FONT face="Times New Roman">!.</FONT>方知几家武术异曲同工<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>生人要尽快变成熟人<FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT>才推得了手<FONT face="Times New Roman">.邮:coolwangjianye@tom.com&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 028-80784017</FONT></P>

王建业 发表于 2005-9-1 20:16:00

<P 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">与人推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有功夫比自己高的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有与自己差不多的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>也有比自己差的<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>生人的推手功夫也在此理<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>推手比赛<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>选手很多<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>一般地说都不认识<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>但有规则<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有裁判员<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>生人的推手比赛是可进行的<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>然而<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>民间推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>很多时候无裁判<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>但是推手规则还是应该有的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>搭手前应事先讲好<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>头<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>颈<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>裆是禁止击打部位<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>不能用腿踢<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>不能脱手击打<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>不反关节擒拿<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>定步还是动步<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>对手健康状况等<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>要取掉手上的饰物<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>手机等<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>还要检查场地<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有无砖头<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>瓦块等硬物<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>现在城市建设漂亮了<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>绿地草坪是不准踩的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>要罚款子<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>脚下踩的是地砖<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>水泥地<FONT face="Times New Roman">..</FONT>要找泥土地面<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>上面再有点粑地草<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那种草是踩扁也死不了<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>这种泥土地面不好找了<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>记得我一个外地师弟<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那时练推手没几年<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>顶劲还大<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>一人与他推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>他借到劲<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>其人恻倒地<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>后脑触一硬物<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>枪救无效<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>亡<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>可怜我师弟丢了工作<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>还吃了几年官司<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>与生人推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>慎<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></P><br /><P 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">推手非太极门独有<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>行意<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>八卦<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>猴拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>蛾眉<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>武当等都在练<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>好的东西<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>各家都在收集<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>包容<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>那二年<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>成都武侯祠早晨六点开门<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>晚上十点关门<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>我家住街对面<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>里面的参天大树<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>雕楼廷院<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>是练拳的绝佳地方<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>天晴下雨都不怕<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>天晴在廷院练<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>下雨在孔明<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>刘备殿练<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>好爽<FONT face="Times New Roman">!</FONT>年票几十元<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>而今成了全国重点保护区<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>门票一次要几十元<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>早<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>晚不准进<FONT face="Times New Roman">..</FONT>一日晚才<FONT face="Times New Roman">21</FONT>点不到<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>保安锁了大门<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>游客出不了门<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>手机请电视台来摄影才出了门<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>好气<FONT face="Times New Roman">!</FONT>练拳图个心情好<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>我辈已不敢在此练了<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>成都体院与武侯祠两隔壁<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>武术国宝王树田<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>猴王肖应鹏<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>吴大材<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>行意拳家吴兴宇等名家都在那儿练<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>时日长了<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>八卦<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>行意<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>猴拳都推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>我志坚<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>练杨式太极不悔改<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>见我态度端正<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>虚心好学<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>也与我推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>上海的郑老师<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>吴式太极练家<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>来成都市出差三个月<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>选中武侯祠练拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>他打吴式拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>我打杨家拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>都想推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>爱家要推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>没法生人也要推手哦<FONT face="Times New Roman">!.</FONT>方知几家武术异曲同工<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>生人要尽快变成熟人<FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT>才推得了手<FONT face="Times New Roman"><a href="mailt.coolwangjianye@tom.com" target="_blank" >.coolwangjianye@tom.com</A>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;028-80784017</FONT></P>

哼哼哈哈 发表于 2005-9-1 23:22:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>开心胸</I>在2005-9-1 16:30:06的发言:</B><BR><br /><P>这里单说比试功夫的情况:</P><br /><P>一、别人找你试功夫。首先要沉得住气,不要先出手,这一方面是出于礼貌,一方面也是一种战术,以静待动,以逸待劳,只要对方一出手,你就不要客气。</P></DIV><br /><P>提一个问题,如果你不出手,对方也不出手,怎么办???</P><br /><P>记得李雅轩先生书上大概是这么说的,如果对方也不出手,证明对方也是一个高手,应该停下手来与之交一个朋友。(就记住了这么一个大概)</P><br />

哼哼哈哈 发表于 2005-9-1 23:34:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>崇德</I>在2005-9-1 19:23:59的发言:</B><BR><br /><P>练太极和玩太极都没关系,喜欢较技的和不喜欢张扬的都可以,其实这个题目的争论就是让大家小心一点,又何必怕说不说错呢?嘴和手一样,长在自己身上。就好比好端端的网站动不动跳出个广告,尽管我恶心,但我还是喜欢看---</P></DIV><br /><P>练太极拳技击和玩太极拳是两个不同的境界,或者说是两种风马牛不相干的事情。练习技击就是为了克敌制胜,玩太极的目的也就是愉悦身心而已了。<br /><P>这些都和不喜欢张扬不相干,有水平,不喜欢张扬是风度;而若是没什么真本事,再喜欢张扬就可笑了。<br /><P>其实,对、错之间就是大家对太极拳技击的不同理解。我没有按照你们的思路走,自然也就是我错了。还是保留你们的主流思维吧。——在推推摸摸之间意淫着太极拳的辉煌技击手段(历史)吧。<br /><P>或许我又错了???让版主恶心了!!!呵呵~~~</P>

哼哼哈哈 发表于 2005-9-1 23:52:00

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>王建业</I>在2005-9-1 20:14:18的发言:</B><BR><br /><P 21.75pt? TEXT-INDENT: 0pt; 0cm>……记得我一个外地师弟<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那时练推手没几年<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>顶劲还大<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>一人与他推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>他借到劲<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>其人恻倒地<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>后脑触一硬物<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>枪救无效<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>亡<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>可怜我师弟丢了工作<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>还吃了几年官司<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>与生人推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>慎<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></P>……</DIV><br /><P>我也有过类似的经历,好在没有那么严重的后果。只是随着岁数大了,也就不那么打了。其实我现在已经属于玩太极的阶段了。<br /><P>但是,我不能否认早年的真打实战有什么不对。毕竟,拳法是要真枪实战中练出来的。<br /><P>我很欣赏日本居合道中的一个细节。就是在夺刀的练习中,夺到刀的一方不但要把对方制住,而且一定会在对方的颈动脉处补上一刀。这些细节的练习看起来不值一提,但是这种练习会让参与者养成一种良好的技击习惯。<br /><P>这些东西已经被我们一些太极拳练习者省略掉了。打个比方,我所练的杨氏小架中单鞭一式的鞭手,应该有勾、刁、挂、抖、弹几个变化,而且在行拳的过程中是要打出来的。这些东西不是练着好看,练着玩的,而是要在实战运用的。而这些小招也只能在和外人搭手时才好用。不去实战行吗???很多玩艺仅凭自己想,仅凭温柔地试试手,还是远远不够的。<br /><P>当然,玩太极就另当别论了。</P>

王建业 发表于 2005-9-2 09:10:00

<P 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">太极推手讲听劲<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>何言听劲<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有视听<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>触听<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>神听<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有人说推手的听劲不是用耳朵听<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>这话咋一听对<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>细想又不对<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>人之耳能听声<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>与生人推手<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>先要听其言<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>了解来人目的何在<FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT>练何种武术<FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT>师承何人<FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT>擅长技法<FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT>言谈之间<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>还是能听出些道道来<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>友好交流要进行<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>其次观其形<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>是否毛手毛脚<FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT>打沙包的<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>手掌老茧厚<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>练摔跤的行家里手一般耳朵烂<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>经常摔跤者要用头压倒地者<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>耳朵是薄弱部位极易受伤<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>故旧伤未好又添新痕<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>拍电杆<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>打树杆的小臂粗糙<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>泡药水的手臂乌黑<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>练拳击的鼻梁不正<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>脸面有伤<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>练鹰爪<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>猴拳的手指粗壮<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>指力好<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>练气功的憋气打肚皮<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>不一一例举<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>君自总结<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>推手前一般要打一点拳<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>便知其善何物<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></P><br /><P 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">民间拳手一般善保护自己<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>头<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>喉<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>颈<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>裆不露<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那像现在的散打<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>有规则<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>后脑<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>颈<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>裆禁击<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>不少拳手不护这些关键部位<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>放开手脚<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>猛打猛冲<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>煞是好看<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>偶尔一拳手下黑手<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>禁击关键部位一击就中<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>得点犯规分<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>疼痛不已<FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT>散打的胜利很大因素是规则的胜利<FONT face="Times New Roman">.,</FONT>若把禁击部位护好<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>他的腿还踢那么高<FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT>不准打是一回事<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>打不打得到是另一回事<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>长期如此练习<FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT>禁击部位的拳意丢了<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT>推手不能仅从字面理解<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>两只手推来推去<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>那只是表面现象<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>手要推<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>腿要推<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>接触到的部位都要推<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>神要推<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>意要推<FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT>气要推<FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></P>
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